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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigT View Post
    Um what IPSC Division have they been hiding from us that that would be legal in?
    Man, how awesome would a "Mini Pistol Classic" division be to run these retro single-stack jobs in!!!

    Stages limited to no more than 20rd because nobody will ever be able to find enough mags!

    ETA: To the OP: first go run the G34 in Standard Minor like everyone says, and see how you like the game. The dynamics won't be THAT much different to Production, apart from not having to adhere to Production's 15rd limit.

    :- P

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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigT View Post
    Shoot it with your 34 for a bit and see, you may find the division that you think you want to shoot looking from outside in changes once you start. Thats what happened to me.
    This seems to be the most sensible option, although I must admit, I'm really fighting the urge to buy a new pistol.

    Difficult to decide between a Shadow or Excalibur for production, a CZ Tac Sport or Bul for Standard, or any slab-slide for classic..

    I'm on the right track (I think).

    As mentioned, I can't get hold of the rules now, and even then it might be unclear, I think I have a mental block that this game is SERIOUSLY expensive or is that only open class? I think I have an idea of production, almost like SSP or ESP in IDPA? But what are the limitations on Classic and Standard? This could be a deciding factor to go production if I have to fork out plenty of loot to pimp a 1911 or have all the parts replaced and tuned in a Tac Sport for instance in standard or classic...

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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    AND, what are your opinions on commonality? I obviously have a G19 and G34 as my main guns, would it be wiser to go for a G17 in production and G35 in standard even although there are arguably better guns out there for both classes? Is it very difficult to shoot a Shadow and then hop onto a G34 for IDPA?

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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    IPSC is as expensive as you want it to be

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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    Quote Originally Posted by neilh View Post
    IPSC is as expensive as you want it to be
    Jip, maybe I was a vague there, I know IPSC open is crazy expensive, but can one go crazy with mods in standard? This might shift the scales in favor of production.

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    OPEN DIVISION

    1 Minimum power factor for Major 160
    2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
    3 Minimum bullet weight 120 grain for major
    4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354") / 19mm (0.748")
    5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major No
    6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4) No
    7 Maximum handgun size No
    8 Maximum magazine length 170mm (see Appendix E1)
    9 Maximum ammunition capacity No
    10 Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50mm
    11 Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies No
    12 Optical/electronic sights Yes
    13 Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors Yes

    1. Ammunition which fails to meet the minimum bullet weight above, but which chronographs at Major power factor, will be treated as unsafe and must be withdrawn (see Rule 5.5.6). If the weight of the first bullet weighed under Rule 5.6.3.3 fails to meet the minimum bullet weight required for Major power factor, Rule 5.6.3.6 will apply, and a second bullet will be weighed as a final and definitive bullet weight test.



    STANDARD DIVISION

    1 Minimum power factor for Major 170
    2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
    3 Minimum bullet weight No
    4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354") / 19mm (0.748")
    5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major 10mm (0.40")
    6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4) No
    7 Maximum handgun size Yes, see below
    8 Maximum magazine length Yes, see below
    9 Maximum ammunition capacity No
    10 Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50mm
    11 Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies Yes
    12 Optical/electronic sights No
    13 Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors No, see below

    1. A handgun in its ready condition (See Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted or empty cylinder closed, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm x 45mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply.
    2. The handgun is placed inside the box with the barrel parallel to the longest side of the box. Rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed, but all other features of the handgun, (e.g. collapsible and/or folding sights, slide rackers, thumb rests, grips etc.), must be fully extended or deployed. Additionally, telescoping magazines and/or magazines with spring-loaded bases or base pads are expressly prohibited.
    3. Only porting of barrels is prohibited. Slides may be ported.
    4. 357SIG is also an approved caliber for Major, subject to achieving the applicable minimum power factor.This concession has been extended until 31 December 2014.



    CLASSIC DIVISION

    1 Minimum power factor for Major 170
    2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
    3 Minimum bullet weight No
    4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354") / 19mm (0.748")
    5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major 10mm (0.40"), see below
    6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4) No
    7 Maximum handgun size Yes, see below
    8 Maximum magazine length Yes, see below
    9 Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, see below
    10 Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50mm
    11 Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies Yes
    12 Optical/electronic sights No
    13 Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors No

    1. A handgun in its ready condition (see Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm x 45 mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply.
    2. The handgun is placed inside the box with the barrel parallel to the longest side of the box. Rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed during insertion.
    3. Handguns must be based on and visibly resemble the classic 1911-genre design. This means a single-stack, one piece metal frame, and a dust cover (without an accessory rail) which has a maximum length of 75mm when measured from the leading edge of the dust cover to the rear of the slide stop pin. Magazine well openings cannot exceed a maximum outside width of 35mm. Compliance is checked by way of a 35mm wide, and at least 5mm deep, notch carved into the outside of the box, or by use of a ruler or caliper, as approved by the Range Master.
    4. Prohibited modifications are slide lightening cuts, weak hand thumb rests and slide rackers.
    5. Permitted modifications are those of a cosmetic nature (e.g. custom grip panels, scrimshaw or similar surface engravings, checkering or serrations etc.), replacement single or ambidextrous thumb safeties, and any open sights (which may be embedded into the slide).
    6. Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 8 rounds (for Major power factor) or 10 rounds (for Minor power factor) at the Start Signal.
    7. 357SIG is also an approved caliber for Major, subject to achieving the applicable minimum power factor. This concession expires 31 December 2014.
    8. This Division is under evaluation and, unless extended, it will expire on 31 December 2014.



    PRODUCTION DIVISION

    1 Minimum power factor for Major Not applicable
    2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
    3 Minimum bullet weight No
    4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354") / 19mm (0.748")
    5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major Not applicable
    6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) 2.27 kg (5lbs) for first shot
    7 Maximum handgun size Maximum barrel length 127mm
    8 Maximum magazine length No
    9 Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, see Point 16.2 below
    10 Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50mm
    11 Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies Yes
    12 Optical/electronic sights No
    13 Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors No

    1. Only handguns listed as approved on the IPSC website may be used in Production Division. Note that handguns deemed by IPSC to be single-action-only are expressly prohibited.
    2. Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked. (see Rule 8.1.2.5) at the start signal. First shot attempted must be double action. Competitors in this Division who, after the issuance of the start signal and prior to attempting the first shot, cock the hammer on a handgun which has a loaded chamber, will incur one procedural penalty per occurrence. Note that a procedural penalty will not be assessed in respect of courses of fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty chamber. In these cases, the competitor may fire the first shot single action.
    3. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
      1. Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes or other embellishments.
      2. Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more that than 15 rounds at the Start Signal. Identifying marks or decals, internal capacity limiters, bumper pads and additional witness holes, which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines, are permitted.
      3. Sights may be trimmed, adjusted and/or have sight black applied. Sights may also be fitted with fiber optic or similar inserts.

    4. Aftermarket parts, components and accessories are prohibited, except as follows:
      1. Aftermarket magazines are permitted, subject to 16.2 above.
      2. Aftermarket open sights (see Rule 5.1.3.1) are permitted, provided their installation and/or adjustment requires no alteration to the handgun.
      3. Aftermarket grip panels which match the profile and countours of the OFM standard or optional grip panels for the approved handgun and/or the application of tape on grips (see Appendix E3) are permitted, However, rubber sleeves are prohibited.



    REVOLVER DIVISION

    1 Minimum power factor for Major 170
    2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
    3 Minimum bullet weight No
    4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354") / 19mm (0.748")
    5 Minimum caliber for Major No
    6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) No
    7 Maximum handgun size No
    8 Maximum magazine length Not applicable
    9 Maximum ammunition capacity No, see below
    10 Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50mm
    11 Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies No
    12 Optical/electronic sights No
    13 Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors No

    1. No limit on cylinder capacity. A maximum of 6 rounds to be fired before reloading. Violations will incur one procedural penalty for each shot in excess of 6 rounds actually fired before reloading.
    2. Any complete revolver (or a revolver assembled from components), produced by an OFM and available to the general public (except prototypes) is permitted.
    3. Modifications such as weights or other devices to control and/or to reduce recoil are prohibited.
    4. Modifications which are permitted are limited to:
      1. Replacement of, or modification to, sights, hammers and cylinder releases;
      2. Replacement barrels, provided the barrel length, weight and profile are the same as the OFM standard;
      3. Cosmetic enhancements (e.g. plating, checkering of frames, custom grips);
      4. Chamfering and/or modifications to the cylinder to accept "Moon Clips";
      5. Replacement springs, and modifications to enhance the operation of the trigger.

    5. "Self-loading" revolvers with retractable slides are prohibited in this Division.


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    PRODUCTION DIVISION LIST


    Below is the list of pistols currently approved for Production Division. However, IPSC does not guarantee that a model currently listed may not be removed from the list in the future. IPSC reserves the right to modify this list at any time.
    For further information about the requirements of Production Division, please refer to Appendix D4 of the IPSC Handgun Rules, available for download from this website.
    For Action Air Production Division, only replicas of the handguns listed below are approved
    Note: Please read the Rules FAQ for answers to any questions you may have.
    If you wish to comment about the list, please send an email to:
    prodlist@ipsc.org


    Make Model
    AKDAL ARMS Ghost TR01, TR02, TR03, TR07, TR08
    ALFA-PROJ Alfa Combat, Alfa Defender
    ARCUS 98
    ARMALITE AR24, AR24K
    ARMS MORAVIA G2000
    ARMSCOR AP9, AP9MS, APP9, APP9MS, MAP1, MAP1FS, MAP1MS, MAPP1
    ARSENAL FIREARMS Strike One Combat

    (Full size model not approved unless original factory supplied barrel length is 127mm or less)
    ASAI AG onePRO
    ASTRA A75, A100
    BAIKAL MP446, MP446C
    BERETTA 92 Series full size frame (including 92, 92D, 92DS, 92 F, 92FS, 92S, 92SB, 92SB-F, 92G-SD, 92FS Brigadier, 92FS Deluxe, 92G, 92G Elite, 92G Elite II, 92 FS Centurion, 92D Centurion,92G Centurion, 92 Stock, 92EL, 90Two), M9A1, 92A1, M9

    92 Series Compact frame (including 92L Compact, 92SB Compact, 92 L Compact type M, 92SB compact type M, 92 Custom Carry)

    96 Series full size frame (including 96, 96D, 96DS, 96G, 96 Brigadier, 96 D Brigadier, 96G Brigadier, 96G Elite, 96G Elite II, 96G-SD, 96 Centurion,96D Centurion, 96 Stock), 96A1

    96 Series Compact frame (including 96L Compact, 96L Compact type M, 96D Compact, 96D Compact Type M)

    98 Series (including 98F, 98FS, 98FS Brigadier, 98 Deluxe, 98 Stock)

    Vertec series (including 92G, 92FS, 92 Elite 1A, 92 Steel, 96G, 96FS, 96 Elite 1A, 96 Steel, 98 Steel)

    Cougar Series (including 8000 D/DL/FL/LP/Mini, 8040 D/F/Mini, 8045 D/F/Mini, 8357 D/F)

    9000S Series (including Type D & F)

    PX4 Storm (Type F, G)

    Approved: Inox versions of approved models

    Not Approved: single-action only variants or laser equipped models

    BERNARDELLI 2000, 2000 Baby
    BERSA Thunder 9, Thunder 40, Mini T9/T40, Thunder PRO/XT, BP9CC
    BROWNING BDM, BDA, PRO9, PRO40

    Not Approved: Hi-Power
    BUL Cherokee (full size, compact & mini), Impact, Storm
    CANIK Mkek series (Standard, Light, Compact), Piranha series (F, C, CF), Shark series C, Stingray C, Dolphin, SFC-100, TP9, TP40

    Not approved Shark FC
    CARACAL F, C, SC
    COLT 2000, Double Eagle

    (Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved)
    CZ - CESKA STRAKONICE ST9, TT9, TT40, TT45, MT9, MT9L
    CZ - CESKA ZBROJOVKA CZ75B Omega, CZ75 P-02, CZ75, CZ75B, CZ75B Stainless, CZ75BD, CZ75BD Police, CZ75 Compact, CZ75D Compact, CZ75 SemiCompact, CZ75 Combat II, CZ85, CZ85B, CZ85 Combat

    CZ40B, CZ97B, CZ99, CZ100, CZ110, CZ2075 Rami, CZ2075 Rami P

    CZ75 P01, P07 Duty, P09, CZ75 SP-01, CZ75 SP-01 Tactical, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow, CZ75 SP01 Dual Tone, CZ75 SP-01 Sport (9x21mm version with OFM trigger stop as sold in Italy), CZ75 SP-01 Phantom, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow TR, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Orange.

    Also approved are variants with original Ceska Zbrojovka (CZUB) barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. SP-01A, SP-01DK, SP-01DK Shadow), provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules. All dual tone models, Shadow Line variants of approved models, and approved models with OFM coloured frames, are also approved.

    (CZUSA Custom Shop models (including the SP-01 Shadow Target, CZ 75 Shadow T and CZ 75 SP01 ACCU Shadow), and Frankonia models (including Mamba and Viper), are not approved)
    DAEWOO DP51, DH40
    DESERT EAGLE Eagle Compact, Baby Eagle
    DLASK P226 clone
    EAA Witness Steel, Polymer, P, PS, P Carry, Elite Stock (and subcompact versions), Stock II, Pavona

    Classic, Limited Pro

    Also approved are compact versions of the above models

    (Witness Carry Comp, Gold, Silver and Limited versions are not approved)
    FEG P9R, P9RK
    FN HERSTAL FNP-9, FNP-9M, FNP-40, FNP-40M, FNP-9 DAO, FNP-40 DAO, FNP-45, FNP9-17 SA/DA, FNX9, FNX40, FNX45

    FNS, FNS-9MS, FNS-40MS, FNS-9L (aka "Longslide", previously FNS-9 Competition), FNS-40L
    GIRSAN/YAVUZ Bora, Bora Light, Compact MC, Compact MKEK, MC23, MC23.40, MC23.45, MC27, MCC40, MCR40, Regard MC, Regard MKEK, Zirve
    GLOCK 17, 19, 20, 21, 21SF, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 30S, 31, 32, 33, 36, 37, 38, 39.

    Also approved are variants with original Glock barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. 17A, 17DK), as well as variants with "Tactical", "Mariner" or similar OFM engravings on the slide, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules.

    Also approved are Gen4 and SF versions of approved models.

    Not Approved: 18, 24, 25, 28, 34, 35, 41, 42, Pro, L and C models
    GRAND POWER K100, K100P40,K100P45, K100MK6, K100 Dynamic, K100MK7, K100 Target, K100 X-TRIM, P1, P1MK7, P1Ultra, GPC9, P11, X-Calibur*

    Also approved are variants with original Grand Power barrels which are longer than standard, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules

    *This model was originally approved after the barrel length was checked with a caliper, so this model remains approved even if the "dowel" method returns a different result.
    H&K USP, USP Stainless, USP Compact, USP Compact Stainless, USP Custom Sport, USP9SD, USP Tactical (barrel 127mm or shorter), USP Compact Tactical, HK45, HK45 Compact

    VP70Z, P8, P9S (only with 100mm barrel), P10, P2000, P2000SK, P30, P30L, P30S, P30LS, P7M8 (EP7 in Greece), P7M10, P7M13

    Not Approved: Mark 23, USP Elite, USP Expert, USP Production, USP Combat Competition
    HS PRODUKT HS2000 Series (HS9, HS357, HS40, HS45)

    XD(M) (except ported models)

    Not Approved: XDM 5.25 Series
    IMI Barak 9, Barak 40, Barak 45
    JERICHO 941, 941S, 941F, 941FS, 941FB, 941FBL, 941R, 941RB, 941RS
    KAHR K Series (9mm,40cal, Lady & Elite), MK Series (9mm, 40cal, Micro & Elite), P Series (9mm and 40 cal), PM Series (9mm), T Series (Target & Tactical), TP Series
    KBP GSh18
    KEL-TEC P11, P40
    LLAMA M-82
    MAGNUM RESEARCH SP21 (9mm,40SW,45ACP), MR Eagle
    MANURHIN MR73 revolvers (3" G3 and 4" G4 models only)
    NORINCO NC226, NP18, NP22, NP34, NP40, NP58, NZ75, NZ85
    PARA-ORDNANCE LDA (all models except Tac-Five and other variants with enlarged magwells)
    REPUBLIC ARMS Patriot
    RUGER P85, P89, KP89, P90, KP90, P91, KP93, P94, P95, K94/95, KP95, P345, KP345, KP345PR, P97, SR9, SR9C, SR40, KBSR9, LC9, P944, KP944, BSR45, KSR45

    (Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved)

    S&W 39, 59, 410, 439, 459, 539, 659, 669, 908, 910, 915, 1006, 1066, 3906, 3913, 3913L, 3913TSW, 3914, 3953, 3953STSW, 4006, 4043, 4046, 4013TSW, 4053TSW, 4513TSW, 4553TSW, 457, 4506, 4516, 4566, 4586, 5904, 5906, 5946, 6906, 6926, 6946

    SW99, M&P9, M&P9C, M&P9 Pro, M&P9L, M&P357, M&P40, M&P40L, M&P40 Pro, M&P45, M&P45C, M&P40C, M&P9VTAC, M&P40 VTAC, M&P CORE Series, M&P Shield Series

    (Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved)
    SARSILMAZ Kilinc 2000, Kilinc 2000 Light, Hancer 2000, Hancer 2000 Light, K2, K10, K10C, B6, B6C, CM9, ST10 (not Tactical version)
    SIG P220, P220-1, P224, P225, P228, P229, P239, P250, P250DCc, P2009, SPC2009, SP2020, SP2022, SP2340

    P226, P226 Tactical Operations, P226 E2, P226ST, P226 Sport II SL ohne Schiene, P226SL, P226SL Black, P226 Xpress, P226 X-Five Allround, P226 X-Five Tactical (not SAO version), P226R DAK, P226DAO, P226R, P226R Two Tone, P226 SAS, P226 Blackwater, P226 Equinox, P226 Stainless, P226 AL-SO, P226 SL-SO, P226 Sport Stock, P226 X-Five SO (SA/DA version only), P226 Navy, P226 SCT, P226 Elite, P226 Blackwater Tactical, P226 Combat, P226 Combat TB, P226 USPSA (Black & Two Tone), P226 Platinum Elite, P226 Enhanced Elite, P226 Elite Dark, P226 Gadsden, P226-SL-SO-BT, P226-MK25, P226 Elite Stainless, P226 Elite Dark TB, P226 Scorpion, P226 Scorpion TB, P226 X-Five SO Capsicum, P226 Extreme, P226 LDC, P320 Nitron,


    Models listed above which do not have the "P226" designation engraved on their slide are also approved, provided the configuration is otherwise the same.

    SP2009, SP2022 (including Nitron and Diamond Plate versions), SP2340

    Also approved are P220, P229, P239 equivalents of approved P226 models with maximum 5" barrel length.

    Not Approved: P220 X-Zone, P220 Sport, P226 HSP, P226 Sport, P226 Sport II SL mit Schiene, P226 X-Five, P226 X-Five Competition, P226 X-Six, P226R Crimson Trace
    SIGMA Compact SW9V, SW40W, SW40VE, SW9VE, SW9M, SW40F, SW40C, SW9F, SW9C
    SPHINX 2000 Series (S, P, PS and H models)
    3000 Series (Standard, Competition Production, Compact, Tactical, Police, SOP, Hi-Cap)
    All of the above in Steel, Stainless Steel, Titanium or Aluminium

    SDP Series (Compact, Compact Plus, Standard, Production)
    All of the above in Polymer, Steel, Stainless Steel, Titanium or Aluminium

    Also approved are variants with original Sphinx barrels which are longer than standard, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants full comply with all other Production Division rules.
    SPRINGFIELD P9, XD, XD(M) (except ported models), XDS45

    Not Approved: XDM 5.25 Series - XD/XDM Production model, XD/XDM Custom Competition model

    SPS Compact (SP II, SP II Plus, SP III)

    Police Compact (SPII, SPII Plus, SP3)
    STAR Megastar, M30, Ultrastar
    STEYR M-A1, M9, S9, M40, S40, L9-A1
    STI GP6, GP6C, GP5

    Also approved are variants with original STI barrels which are longer than standard, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules.
    STOEGER INDUSTRIES Cougar, Cougar Compact
    TANFOGLIO Force 38, Force 38F Carry, Force 38F, Force 38L, Force 40, Force 40F Carry, Force 40F, Force 40L, Force 40R Carry, Force 40R, Force 45, Force 45F Carry, Force 45F, Force 45L, Force 45R Carry, Force 45R, Force 921, Force 921F Carry, Force 921F, Force 921L, Force 921R Carry, Force 921R, Force 99, Force Compact 40, Force Compact 45, Force Compact 921, Force Pro, GT10, GT21 Baby, GT21 Combat, GT21, GT23, GT40 Baby, GT40 Combat, GT40, GT45, P19 Combat, P19 Standard, P19L, P21 Combat, P21L, P23, P23L, P38L, P40 Compact, P40, P40F, P40FB, P40L, P40R, P41, P45, P45L, T94F, T94R, T95F Stock, T95F, T95R, T96F, T96R, T97F, T97L, T97R, TA10 Compact, TA10, TA40FB, TA45 Compact, TA45, TA90 XL2, XL4, Stock, Stock II, Stock III, Stock III Special, L, Combat Sport, TZ-75 C90, Limited PRO, Stock II Xtreme, Stock III Xtreme

    Also approved are variants with original Tanfoglio barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. Stock II Limited) provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules.

    Not approved: Stock Custom model
    TARA MP9
    TAURUS PT92, PT99, PT100, PT101, PT111, PT140, PT145, PT921, M66, 827, 817, PT809B, PT809E, PT809SS, PT840B, PT840SS, PT845B, PT845SS, PT917, PT917C, PT917CS, PT940

    24/7, 24/7 G2,24/7 PRO DS, 24/7 LD
    (24/7 PRO and OSS models are not approved)

    Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved.

    TISAS Zigana F, P40
    VEKTOR SP1, SP2 (not Single Action), Z88
    WALTHER P1, PPS, P5, P38, P88, P99, P99Q, P99QA, P99C, P99DAO, P99AS
    Also approved are compact versions of these models

    PPQ, PPQ-Navy, P99D-RAD, PPX, PPQM2
    Also approved are compact versions of these models
    WITNESS Witness Steel, Witness Polymer, Witness P Carry, Witness Elite Stock (and subcompact versions)

    Classic, Limited Pro
    Also approved are compact versions of these models


    (Witness Carry Comp, Gold, Silver and Limited versions are not approved)
    ZASTAVA CZ99, CZ999, EZ, EZ Compact


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    IPSC is going to cost you more on ammo than IDPA. Aside from that you can spend 100K on a SV Open gun or you can shoot exactly what you have now. You can even use your current IDPA holster and just add a few more mags. A race rig is nice and its convenient. But its not a necessity.

    Production is the cheapest division if you're starting out, or it can be, some of the new Production Race guns are similar in price to some solid Standard guns.

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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    Take it from me, been there, and done that

    Agree 100% with the other guys. Shoot Standard Div with your 34... it will serve you plenty well for quite some time to come.

    It will give you the opportunity to learn the sport, and provide the chance to understand and take a closer look at all of the divisions. Without knowing about the divisions, and without making a decision about which division you 'actually' want to play in, any advice about what gun you should buy would be conjecture at this point. Your choice of gun is very much division dependent.

    Play. Learn. Assess. Choose. In that order.

    Have fun

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    Default Re: New Pistol Needed, But Where To Start?

    Something to bear in mind, and one reason we keep saying play with what you have. The difference in stage approach between a Production shooter and a Standard shooter is much much bigger than the difference in approach between SSP and ESP. You need to play the game a bit and see what appeals most to you.

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