Results 1 to 5 of 5
  1. #1

    Default FBI: Gun Sales Up, Murders Down

    FBI: Gun Sales Up, Murders Down

    Tuesday, December 22, 2009
    By Jim Kouri
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation reports a ten percent drop in murders during the first six months of 2009, while at a time US gun sales are going through the roof, according to reports obtained by the National Association of Chiefs of Police. Meanwhile, gun sales to private citizens soared almost 30 percent during that same period.
    Gun rights advocates claim that these numbers are further proof that there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, state officials from the Second Amendment Foundation, a civil rights group. Further, the SAF contends that the increase in private citizen gun-ownership may have had an impact on reducing violent crime.
    In a survey conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police of the nation’s police executives, with regard to private citizens owning firearms for sport or self-defense, 93.6 percent of the respondents supported civilian gun-ownership rights. Ninety-six percent of the police chiefs and sheriffs believe criminals obtain firearms from illegal sources and 92.2 percent revealed they hadn’t arrested anyone for violation of the so-called “waiting period” laws. When asked if citizens’ concealed-weapons permits would reduce violent crime, 63.1 percent said yes.
    The latest FBI data show that homicides declined by 10 percent from the same period in 2008. Meanwhile, data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that during the first six months of this year, gun sales were up.
    January 2009 background checks rose 28.8 percent over the same month in 2008, February’s NICS checks were up 23.3 percent and in March they were up 29.9 percent over March 2008. The trend continued in April, with NICS checks up 30.3 percent, while May showed a slowdown, up only 15.5 percent, and in June they were up 18.1 percent.
    “What this shows,” said SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb, “is that gun prohibitionists are all wrong when they argue that more guns result in more crime. Firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens are no threat to anyone. Perhaps violent criminals were actually discouraged by all of those gun sales earlier this year, because the media made a point of reporting the booming gun market.
    “Anti-gunners,” he continued, “have lost another one of their baseless arguments. Millions of Americans bought guns during the first six months of this year, many of them for the first time. Yet with all of those new guns in circulation, coupled with an increased demand for concealed carry licenses around the country, the streets have not been awash in blood, as gun banners repeatedly predict.
    “Hard facts trump hot air,” Gottlieb concluded. “These people are consistently wrong about our rights. Millions of people bought guns, especially semiautomatic sport-utility rifles that gun grabbers want to ban because they say people aren’t safe with all of those guns in private hands. Well, the people disagree, and so does the data.”
    In fact, while gun-control enthusiasts point to accidental shootings or misuse of firearms cases to bolster their claims, numerous studies have shown there are between 600,000 and one million protective uses of firearms by citizens (Northwestern University School of Law, Gary Kleck & Marc Gertz).
    “Studies have shown that the incidents of proper use of guns by US citizens far outweigh any abuses or misuses. In my own law enforcement career, must guns used in a crime are illegally obtained. If a suspect is willing to walk into a bank full of people to rob it, I doubt he’d be worried about violating some gun law,” said former NYPD detective Mike Snipes, now the owner of a private security firm.
    “This obsession with gun control by politicians and activists has more to do with disarming law-abiding citizens and less to do with fighting crime,” he added.
    The Second Amendment Foundation is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.
    Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and he’s a columnist for The Examiner (examiner.com) and New Media Alliance (thenma.org). In addition, he’s a blogger for the Cheyenne, Wyoming Fox News Radio affiliate KGAB (www.kgab.com). Kouri also serves as political advisor for Emmy and Golden Globe winning actor Michael Moriarty.
    He’s former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed “Crack City” by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university and director of security for several major organizations. He’s also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. Kouri writes for many police and security magazines including Chief of Police, Police Times, The Narc Officer and others. He’s a news writer and columnist for AmericanDaily.Com, MensNewsDaily.Com, MichNews.Com, and he’s syndicated by AXcessNews.Com. Kouri appears regularly as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Fox News Channel, Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, etc.
    "Guns are just tools, the way they're used reflects the society they're apart of, if you don't like guns, blame it on society" ~Chris Kyle

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    458

    Default Does anyone know why?

    What has caused the increase of gun and ammunition sales in the USA?

    What has caused the change of public attitude to firearms in the USA?

    Was it the work of firearm organisations or is there another reason?

    First lets put some US stats on the table and you can verify these.

    49% of the American public support more restrictive gun laws.
    Just 12% support less restrictive laws.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123596/in...-gun-laws.aspx

    From a high in the 1990's of 60% for more restrictive gun laws.

    1 What caused the change?

    2 What has been gun controls reaction?

    3 What has been firearm organisations reaction?

    The answer to 1 can be found in Gallup and other polls.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123602/ma...gun-sales.aspx

    The answer to 2 can be found in new research from the medical field paid for by TAX payers money.

    http://www.nrapublications.org/a1f/FeatureArchives.html
    America's 1st Freedom
    Featured Story Archives
    How your tax dollars Demonize your Guns - Dave Kopel

    The answer to 3 is - Celebrate? Figure what they are doing wrong? Continue to promote firearm ownership?

  3. #3
    User
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Johannesburg
    Age
    58
    Posts
    18

    Default Re: FBI: Gun Sales Up, Murders Down

    Hi Crimefree

    I know this is an old thread but the reason for there being such an increase in gun sales in the US which I think pretty much continues is the same reason that caused the stock market to crash in 2008. It is simply that "mood" turned negative. Robert Prechter predicted both of these or at least the gun part was sort of predicted by saying there will be a taste for war. It requires a reversal of the thinking of cause and effect. Most people say that a particular event caused stocks to go up or down but this is not the case. We behave like wildebeest heading off across the veld i.e. we act like a herd in all things. This is why fashions come and go and negative mood and the consequent penchant for war is just fashionable at the moment. Now what causes our mood to turn negative is a tricky one but one influence is probably the planets/sun, etc. But I doubt this would explain everything. Before you poo poo the planet thing consideer that the violent deaths correlation with the full moon is well documented and that according to Arch Crawford every single crash in the stock market over the last 100 years has occurred in the same planetary pattern. I am afraid I don't remember the details. Anyway - my 2 cents worth.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    268

    Default Re: FBI: Gun Sales Up, Murders Down

    The crime decline also comes during a time when most departments/agencies are laying off police with some departments in my area having gone from 120 officers to less than 5 officers.


    Police do virtually nothing to prevent crime or reduce crime. They investigate and attempt to solve crimes, AFTER they have been committed.

    Armed citizens are the best deterrent to crime.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    268

    Default Re: FBI: Gun Sales Up, Murders Down

    I remember a study was conducted on whether or not it was economically justifiable to increase police numbers. They concluded that doubling the number of police in a given area would cut the street crime (break-ins against parked cars, vandalism against parked cars, purse snatching, street fights, etc) by about 40-50%, but that it would have zero impact or virtually zero impact on burglary, arson, armed robbery, bank robbery, murder, domestic issues, child abuse, kidnapping, rape, etc.


    My main issue with police is that they become a de facto standing army, such that it doesn't matter that the Army and Marines are not used to police the streets, we have a paramilitary police force doing it. It is my belief that neither Thomas Jefferson nor George Washington would support a permanent standing military, nor would they support permanent police forces.

    In the USA police departments used to be incredibly small, as it was legally required that citizens would pursue and attempt to apprehend anybody who was seen committing a major crime, usually with a stipulation in regards to "as long as the conditions are such that the criminal can be pursued and apprehended without significant risk of major harm to the citizen."

    Sheriffs would mobilize a posse, militia could be mobilized, etc, to pursue especially dangerous criminals or large gangs of criminals.

Similar Threads

  1. More farm murders
    By spiggs in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: 02-04-2014, 08:03
  2. Muldersdrift - Murders again...
    By Springer in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 04-12-2012, 10:13
  3. Knives used for most murders
    By Kreefstert in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 27-10-2012, 08:01

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •