South African gun control activist shot - 18th January 2004

**Paul** · 09-03-2010, 10:57

Originally Posted by andy_760901

Rather pick a GFSA residence, your sure to come across as many cowards as there are residents of that house.

Here's some signs. Print them out and use them wisely...

**camouflage762** · 09-03-2010, 11:12

+1 andy760901

You speak for many!

**Paul** · 09-03-2010, 11:24

Originally Posted by andy_760901

makes me sick, GFSA are cowards encouraging others to be cowards, and essentially, victims

Misery loves company

**andy_760901** · 09-03-2010, 11:59

thanks camo, it is from the heart, and Paul, i am with you, are you the same chap that was on our side on the telly a little while ago, if so i bow in humble adoration :)

**camouflage762** · 09-03-2010, 12:07

Paul, you gotta fan!

**nkosi** · 09-03-2010, 14:23

I wonder how a GFSA moron would respond if they were rescued/protected from a violent attack by an armed (with a firearm) civilian. Would they ask the rescuer to stop helping them & allow the assault/rape/murder of themselves/their family member/s to continue?

Maybe they should wear highly visible identification insignia so that members of the public &/or police force know that they don't need to assist them if they are being attacked.

**johannvdg** · 09-03-2010, 14:49

I am a liberal, and take exception to somebody calling anybody at GiFSA liberal, morons yes, liberals no, take a look at wikipedia's definition and maybe you'll agree.

"liberalism is a political ideology that developed in the 19th century in England, Western Europe, and the Americas. It is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, and assembly, and free markets"

**camouflage762** · 09-03-2010, 15:57

Originally Posted by johannvdg

.....It is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, and assembly, and free markets"

Not anymore...

**Paul** · 09-03-2010, 15:59

Originally Posted by camouflage762

Not anymore...

Didn't want to be the first one to say this...

Johann's definition sounds more appropriate for a Libertarian.

**Gus** · 09-03-2010, 18:04

There are some parallels between liberalism and libertarianism - however, libertarianism has a anarchistic element to it whereby it dismisses social-contractarian theory in its pursuance of anti-regulation. Thus, is my view Joahnn is still in the liberal zone.

In fact, it may be argued that liberalism is more conducive to recognizing the freedom to own arms. As liberals argue against the over-regulation by government - lest you forget, it is government who limits gun ownership.

It is a common mistake to equate specific points of view with specific philosophical paradigms. Take the American author Hunter S. Thompson for example, he was an extreme liberal and hardcore democrat - but was also a self-confessed "gun freak".

The definition of liberalism does not change as much as it is misused.

I am with you Johann - I am definitely liberal - that does not mean that I do not see merit in gun ownership...