Shootin' the breeze with camouflage762: Episode 7

**Admin** · 10-03-2010, 11:34

Shootin' the breeze with camouflage762: Episode 7

Camo discusses the Morality of the gun and continues his episode on TEOTWAWKI covering Shelter & Food.

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**Paul** · 10-03-2010, 11:49

Camo... well done... it's about time we start expounding on the logical and ethical basis of carrying SD firearms.

Haven't got to it yet, but I trust you mention the logical fallacy of false moral equivalency????

**Rotten Bunny** · 10-03-2010, 12:51

Well Done Camo..
very informative...

**camouflage762** · 10-03-2010, 17:20

Originally Posted by Paul

... logical fallacy of false moral equivalency????

Will get my Philosophical Dictionary out tonite.

**FrankH** · 11-03-2010, 00:23

Great

. But no sex drugs and rock n roll???

**300H&H** · 16-03-2010, 10:16

well done. carrying a gun not a right? i disagree

**gizmo16** · 16-03-2010, 10:41

Its not officially a right in this country - although it should be.

**Paul** · 16-03-2010, 10:51

Originally Posted by gizmo16

Its not officially a right in this country - although it should be.

It's most certainly an inferred right.

A fundamental concept in law is that when a natural right is recognised - in this case the right to life and bodily security, as in our Bill of Rights - it naturally carries with it the right to enforce or realise that original right.

So, to give an example, the 'right to education' is useless without the provision of access to the means to acquire said education in the best (most efficient and effective) way possible. This is quite clearly recognised and understood by all. No argument.

Going back to our guaranteed right to life and bodily security... This is an empty promise without the means to effect. The State has claimed on numerous ocassions that they have no duty to provide individual protection and so the duty falls to the individual. If the individual is denied the means to defend their own life this is unconstitutional.

Based on this I believe a solid argument could be made that we do, in fact, have the right to bear arms in self defence (at least).

**camouflage762** · 16-03-2010, 11:13

The reality IS:
We have to be licensed to own a F/a.

Somebody decides if we are worthy,,,,,

We have to wait ages for the licence to go through the system...

We then have to renew every 5 years....

The reality is that it is a privilege and its now becoming a lottery whether you will ever get your licences.