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    Default Re: SD Ammo that "demonstrate outstanding terminal performance"

    Thanks bro.


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    I wish we could get some decent JHP`s in again as the public is crying for some good stuff. I know I need some stuff to as my Black Talons are getting real long in the tooth.

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    Default Re: SD Ammo that "demonstrate outstanding terminal performance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Johann the Horrible
    I wish we could get some decent JHP`s in again as the public is crying for some good stuff. I know I need some stuff to as my Black Talons are getting real long in the tooth.
    Pull them, reload using CCI primers and a decent 'hot' load, they will work 100%. If you have a taper crimp die and a bit of clear nail varnish to seal the primer, even better. Et voila - new rounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khumba
    By Doc GK Roberts in www.m4carbine.net read full article here http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

    "The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use:

    9 mm:
    Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
    Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
    Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
    Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

    .40 S&W:
    Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
    Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
    Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
    Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
    Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
    Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
    Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)
    Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (Q4355)

    .45 ACP:
    Barnes XPB 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2)
    Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
    Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
    Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)

    Notes:
    -- Obviously, clone loads using the same bullet at the same velocity work equally well (ie. Black Hills ammo using Gold Dot bullets, Corbon loads using Barnes XPB bullets, etc…)

    -- Bullet designs like the Silver Tip, Hydra-Shok, and Black Talon were state of the art 10 or 15 years ago. Modern ammunition which has been designed for robust expansion against clothing and intermediate barriers is significantly superior to the older designs. The bullets in the Federal Classic and Hydrashok line are outperformed by other ATK products such as the Federal Tactical and HST, as well as the Speer Gold Dot; likewise Winchester Ranger Talons are far superior to the old Black Talons or civilian SXT's."
    Interesting that the 165gr Speer Gold Do doesn't appear on that list, I would carry that over the 155gr version.

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    The .40 165gr Gol Dot and the .45 200gr +P Gold Dot both plugged fairly often through 4 layers of demin IIRC which is why they are not on the list. Some loads will also not be on the list if the Doc hasnt had requests for testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigT
    The .40 165gr Gol Dot and the .45 200gr +P Gold Dot both plugged fairly often through 4 layers of demin IIRC which is why they are not on the list. Some loads will also not be on the list if the Doc hasnt had requests for testing.
    Interesting! I didn't know that...
    Weird because the bullet ogive on the 155 & 165gr Speer GD's is near as damn identicle.
    I have both and I can't see any difference between them. I kinda like the idea of the 155gr Speer GD from the velocity point of view.
    Call me a spead freak! he he!

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    Default Re: SD Ammo that "demonstrate outstanding terminal performance"

    Quote Originally Posted by BigT
    The .40 165gr Gol Dot and the .45 200gr +P Gold Dot both plugged fairly often through 4 layers of demin IIRC which is why they are not on the list. Some loads will also not be on the list if the Doc hasnt had requests for testing.
    The 165gr .40S&W Gold Dot was loaded by either Black Hills or one of the other non-CCI GD ammo makers.
    I would NOT trust any other loaded GD other than that of CCI or my own handloads.
    The particular 165gr GD's in question here were not loaded to CCI Speer's specs if you read the thread on www.m4carbine.com

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    Default Re: SD Ammo that "demonstrate outstanding terminal performance"

    The Doc specifically mentions Black Hills a an acceptable source of loads with Gold Dot bullets

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    Default Re: SD Ammo that "demonstrate outstanding terminal performance"

    I have shot a couple of jackal with the 124 gold dots. I know you cannot compare the effect it had on jackal to the effect it might have on a man, BUT the 124 gold dots left them were they were shot every time with quite big exit wounds. I have shot a jackal with pmp FMJ and it took off as if nothing happened.


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    Default Re: SD Ammo that "demonstrate outstanding terminal performance"

    What's the deal with availability of ammo in SA?
    I notice many people have posted on the lines of, "if you find it, grab it". I assume from that, that it's hard to come by the quality stuff.
    If there's such a demand, why is no-one just getting it in? It can't be that hard, surely?

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