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22-03-2017, 04:16 #11
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22-03-2017, 04:45 #12
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
There are many considerations, including that the legal framework for collectors is wildly different to the rest.
I don't think that its a matter of elitism but rather a matter of commitment. In *some* quarters it requires very little commitment to become a dedicated sports shooter or hunter. Collectors ask for a bit more commitment, that's all. The fact that many are not willing to make that commitment is quite telling. Just like most won't commit to joining a gun rights organisation on a paying basis (only a tiny fraction of South African gun owners are paying members of either SAGA or GOSA). The only reason they are members of their regulatory associations is, in most instances, because they don't have a choice.
But the apparently draconian proposed rewrite of the FCA (which will likely take some years) may in due course render all of this moot anyeay. We can talk about death warrants after that *if* collectors survive it.Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit: occidentis telum est.
Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
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22-03-2017, 09:31 #13
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
Because the current act and policies make it easier for me to own a single full auto, than it does for me to own an entire collection of colt's and then try add a semi auto. Guess I wasn't involved in drafting these nor do I own a full auto, so what's it matter anyway.
Hopefully it becomes more inclusive than exclusive, than it has been."You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
-Winston Churchill
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22-03-2017, 09:43 #14
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
Hm. Interesting perspective. Not sure if I agree but I think it depends upon the angle from which you look at things.
I do not see barriers to entry as such changing significantly in the near future. But perhaps things can be made less intimidating and/or opaque. One of the key problems is that people do not understand how the system works and how to get into it and make it work for them. It is a significant problem.Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit: occidentis telum est.
Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
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22-03-2017, 10:18 #15
I think it'll be fine once the 'system' starts cloning collectors. Do as I do and collect what I collect and you'll be fine. I think unfortunately many see how the system works and realise that they have largely been written out of it already, because that works for those heavily invested in it.
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22-03-2017, 10:43 #16
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
The comment is a bit generic for me to really be able to make anything of it. Could you please be more specific – if necessary, provide examples without mentioning names? The difficulty is that we often get these "generic grumbles" but it is hard to do something about them without a proper understanding of what the issue actually is. Sometimes also, we are constrained by the limitations of the law (including regulation 15), which we discover people often have little – or sometimes absolutely no – knowledge of. For example, many people want to come in the door and immediately start collecting modern current production semiautomatics. But if you look at the legal and regulatory environment, that is practically impossible.
The differentiators between collectors on the one hand and sports shooters and hunters on the other hand are partly a function of the legal framework; admittedly also, at least to some extent, partly a function of deliberate choice.
Another thing that very few people are aware of is that collectors are the only group which are required, by operation of law, to have a national association and in respect of which every collector's association is obliged, as a matter of law, to be a member. That also has an influence on matters.Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit: occidentis telum est.
Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
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22-03-2017, 10:55 #17
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
Regulation 15 is partly what I'm concerned about and what led to it. It's is accommodating to some, not all.
It was better for most under the bonefide system, where one was subject to a specific guidelines and not regulations written and enforced by ones peers.
I've been in this a long time, long enough to see how each tweak becomes more accommodating for some and less for others.
I don't need to name any names, I'm talking as a collective group and I don't have any knowledge of who owns what, but my semi / full auto example still stands."You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
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22-03-2017, 11:37 #18
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
What is your understanding of what led to it?
I do not quite understand what you are getting at here…
Which to be honest, I also do not really understand either.
You seem to be looking at things from a paradigm which I am having difficulty grasping.Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit: occidentis telum est.
Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
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22-03-2017, 11:44 #19
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Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
You can't mention opening a can of worms, and then press for people to provide you with the facts that will not only open that can....but spill the contents over the entire floor.
Do you really want examples and a debate on how things work in reality vs ideally?
This is probably not the place for it.
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22-03-2017, 11:59 #20
Re: Collectors, the 50 Shades of Grey
Oh, I can, although perhaps I shouldn't. :-)
Yes, I want to understand what Craig is seeing. I'm genuinely not getting what he's trying to tell me. If I don't understand it I can't answer it or try to influence matters.Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit: occidentis telum est.
Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
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