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    Default Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adoons View Post
    Thanks for all the input. I have definitive answer by reading all the comments and am well pleased that it is the answers I were wishing for, and that is that the .404 is NOT scarce anymore. And by that also not overly expensive for a large bore rifle. My mind is made. .404 it will be. I am busy with 3 other rifle projects that are not completed and are planning a .25-06 project as well. After that will come the .404 which I bet will be my last firearm. Then I am sorted with regards to numbers and calibers for all my needs. Maybe then more shooting and less buying and building can take up more time and resources.
    Not so and not possible, you still have one caliber you need to own, otherwise your collection is not completed...this is the caliber that do not have a rival in it`s class...the 8X68 Shuler , the first German Magnum ever designed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gert Odendaal View Post
    Not so and not possible, you still have one caliber you need to own, otherwise your collection is not completed...this is the caliber that do not have a rival in it`s class...the 8X68 Shuler , the first German Magnum ever designed....
    As you can see Gert subscribes to the philosophy that he who dies with the most toys wins. I’d love to get a 404 myself and have always toyed between the 8x68 or the 300 H&H for a long range hunting rifle.
    Don’t take life too seriously, no one gets out alive.

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    Default Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by CorditeCrazy View Post
    As you can see Gert subscribes to the philosophy that he who dies with the most toys wins. I’d love to get a 404 myself and have always toyed between the 8x68 or the 300 H&H for a long range hunting rifle.
    CorditeCrazy, as pointed out previously, you can never mention a .300H&H Magnum in the same sentence as a 8x68S. The .300 H&H Magnum`s breath runs out at a 220 gn bullet at long range hunting /shooting, the 8x68S has just warmed up , shooting a 220 gn bullet at a 1000 meter ghong, the 8x68S then excels through to a 250 gn bullet at long distance hunting /shooting...please forget about the 300H&H Magnum with it`s high pressures , teeth rattling recoil, flinch inducing thump and buy a 8x68S the flagship of German design..

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    Question Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    A few questions

    I always thought that the .416 was a RIGBY ?

    As far as I understand none of these cartridges were ever black powder ? ( they all started life as Cordite )

    The 375 H7H is a BELTED magnum -- the 404 Jeffery is a rebated RIMLESS cartridge
    I am interested in how one forms 404 Jeffery brass from the 375 H&H ?
    ( There is also a 333/404 as well as a 280/404 -- once upon a time factory rounds )

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    Default Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenneke View Post
    A few questions

    I always thought that the .416 was a RIGBY ?

    As far as I understand none of these cartridges were ever black powder ? ( they all started life as Cordite )

    The 375 H7H is a BELTED magnum -- the 404 Jeffery is a rebated RIMLESS cartridge
    I am interested in how one forms 404 Jeffery brass from the 375 H&H ?
    ( There is also a 333/404 as well as a 280/404 -- once upon a time factory rounds )
    Here is a link to this thread:
    http://www.gunsite.co.za/forums/show...fery-excercice

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    Arrow Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gert Odendaal View Post
    Many thanks Gert
    I do understand about fire forming -- I was just a bit worried about the belt ( on the 375 H7H )
    It would appear -- from the photos that the belt does not completely "disappear" ?
    I see there are people offering once fired cases at quite a discount -- might be worth a look in ?

    As far as maize / flour is concerned -- milling dust can be explosive .......

    “Flour dust that is suspended in air is more explosive than coal dust," Paul Steinlage, milling manager, told Food Engineering Magazine this month. "With the number of motors we need to run the mill, we absolutely have to have the best explosion-proof motors so we feel protected.”

    https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-explosive-t/

    A favour .......

    You mention in your posts a number of specialists
    It would appear that there is even someone that can draw brass into cartridge cases ?
    I am sure they are known to a number of posters here -- but not to everyone
    Would it be possible to provide their details and contact information ...
    Thanks

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    Default Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenneke View Post
    A few questions

    I always thought that the .416 was a RIGBY ?
    You can have your 416 in various flavours. For example:

    416 Rigby,
    416 Remington,
    416 Taylor,
    416 Ruger,
    416 Weatherby,
    416 Barret
    and possibly a bucket full of wildcat flavours...


    Quote Originally Posted by Brenneke View Post
    The 375 H7H is a BELTED magnum -- the 404 Jeffery is a rebated RIMLESS cartridge
    I am interested in how one forms 404 Jeffery brass from the 375 H&H ?
    ( There is also a 333/404 as well as a 280/404 -- once upon a time factory rounds )
    No. It is Rimless, but definitely not Rebated.

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    Arrow Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by A-R View Post
    No. It is Rimless, but definitely not Rebated.
    OK
    Slightly then .........

    http://www.municion.org/Jeffery/404Ne.htm


    404Ne.jpg

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    Default Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenneke View Post
    Many thanks Gert
    I do understand about fire forming -- I was just a bit worried about the belt ( on the 375 H7H )
    It would appear -- from the photos that the belt does not completely "disappear" ?
    I see there are people offering once fired cases at quite a discount -- might be worth a look in ?

    As far as maize / flour is concerned -- milling dust can be explosive .......

    “Flour dust that is suspended in air is more explosive than coal dust," Paul Steinlage, milling manager, told Food Engineering Magazine this month. "With the number of motors we need to run the mill, we absolutely have to have the best explosion-proof motors so we feel protected.”

    https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-explosive-t/

    A favour .......

    You mention in your posts a number of specialists
    It would appear that there is even someone that can draw brass into cartridge cases ?
    I am sure they are known to a number of posters here -- but not to everyone
    Would it be possible to provide their details and contact information ...
    Thanks
    Hansie Minnaar, minnaarajj@gmail.com, he will draw any type of caliber`s brass for you as wel as make excellent core bonded bullets. Keep in mind after fire forming the new brass will headspace on the neck and not on the belt anymore.

    minnaarajj@gmail.com








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    Default Re: .404 Jeffery, scarce or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gert Odendaal View Post
    Hansie Minnaar, minnaarajj@gmail.com, he will draw any type of caliber`s brass for you as wel as make excellent core bonded bullets. Keep in mind after fire forming the new brass will headspace on the neck and not on the belt anymore.

    minnaarajj@gmail.com


    Many thanks Gert
    Mail sent

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