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    Default Re: BOTTLED WATER - SAFE SHELF LIFE

    The biggest problem is bacterial growth those flakes are bacterial biomass literally billions of little microbes in a flake. They could be pathogenic or not but cant take the chance. Boiling And ozone will not sanitize enough as it only lowers the amount of bacteria and does not eliminate it and are also notoriously bad at eliminating bacterial spores. Only one cell is needed to overtime spoil te water. Most sanitizers are oxidizers and only work for a short time period while the reaction happens. To store water for a longer period of time look at a heavy metal sanitizer it keeps the water “ toxic” for microbes but safe to drink. Look for something based on copper, zinc, silver and nickel. You can also treat allready spoiled water with a heavy metal sanitizer to increase water safety

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    Quote Originally Posted by gertjie87 View Post
    Look for something based on copper, zinc, silver and nickel. You can also treat already spoiled water with a heavy metal sanitizer to increase water safety
    What, like Copper Sulphate?

    & %age concentration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanCT View Post
    What, like Copper Sulphate?

    & %age concentration?
    Not a big fan of copper sulphate copper nitrate seems to work better as well as amines. Ideally you would like a combination as copper is best on fungus while silver is great on virusses nickel and zinc good on bacteria.
    There are a couple of priducts like that on the market.
    In terms of copper sulphate use at about 2-3mg/l not more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gertjie87 View Post
    Not a big fan of copper sulphate copper nitrate seems to work better as well as amines. Ideally you would like a combination as copper is best on fungus while silver is great on virusses nickel and zinc good on bacteria.
    There are a couple of priducts like that on the market.
    In terms of copper sulphate use at about 2-3mg/l not more.
    Thanks, and is pool chlorine of any use in this application?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DstUrges View Post
    Like having a 1000 litre fish tank that is set up to be self cleaning, and then a decent water filter attached and if SHTF then you eat the fish and have a 1000 liters if fresh water... you just stuck in one place unfortuantly... i think Vaal has the right idea, rather the ability to find and clean water then store water... if you walking out of anywhere you noit going to be carrying much water anyway
    But...that water... The fish peed in it... And poo'd... And, you know, bow-chika-bow-wow!

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    The human body only knows how to handle things it’s been exposed to previously. Since this is a survival thread, some must realize in emergency situations people will often have to drink water they are not sure of. We already have a gazillion microbes living in our body, its not the devil, the difference comes in what is irritable or poisonous. You can take two different people, have them drink the same water, one will get sick and the other not, exposed to all the same things.
    Survival is all about prepping, if you prep water then drink it after some time and see what it does, if you don’t test it then you will never know, and if there is a problem then why wait for an emergency situation? I mean a year is a very short time, just store water and see what it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanCT View Post
    Thanks, and is pool chlorine of any use in this application?
    As a immediate treatment yes also ph need to be perfct otherwise hth dies nothing.
    As a long term preservative nope not good enough chlorine will not eliminate all organisms and stops working after a relatively short time period after the oxidizing reaction is finished. Depending on organic load can be as quick as 4 hours meaning water sanitized with hth now can be spoiled in a day under bad conditions. Also chlorine first oxidizes organics before it gets to organisms meaning if the water has a lot of organics even a heavy dose of chlorine might not have any effect on organisms

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    Default Re: BOTTLED WATER - SAFE SHELF LIFE

    What about bleach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBT View Post
    What about bleach?
    Bleach is sodium hypochlorite same issues as other oxidizing agents when it comes to preservation. Good for immediate treatment but not long term storage

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    Default Re: BOTTLED WATER - SAFE SHELF LIFE

    Go to your local home brew shop and buy a no-rinse sanitizer or sterilizer. It's cheap and works wonders, and you can use it on everything. Milton's baby bottle sterilizer also works wonders.

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