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25-07-2020, 08:41 #11
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
The anc is a criminal communist organization, and they put a court system in place to protect them.
Just like the courts ignored the rationale behind trying to stop the lockdown, so did it only protect its communists masters in this regard.
I've said it before, taking your enemy to court in their courts will achieve nothing, we will all be disarmed eventually.
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25-07-2020, 13:42 #12
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
SO now ownership is also a privilege? The courts are corrupt!
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25-07-2020, 18:05 #13
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
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25-07-2020, 18:24 #14
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25-07-2020, 18:59 #15
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25-07-2020, 19:00 #16
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
More difficult to oppress an armed population.
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25-07-2020, 19:12 #17
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25-07-2020, 19:33 #18
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
Whilst I agree that the goal of the ANC is to disarm the population, I nevertheless think you guys are wrong to criticize the courts.
The GOSA application was poorly drafted, had no case in law and was doomed to failure from the very beginning and they were repeatedly warned that it was a bad application. They ignored this and pushed on like a bull in a china shop.
They got lucky when they came before a judge who was sympathetic to the plight of gun owners. But in trying to help them, he descended into the arena, advised GOSA how to amend its application to make it more palatable and in so doing change it from the case SAPS was asked to meet. He did this because he recognised that they could NEVER succeed on the case they brought to court. But even the amended case should never have succeeded and the judge committed judicial overreach, because judges must APPLY the law (ie. in this case the FCA) and they cannot MAKE the law.
This is the reason the Supreme Court of Appeal upheld the appeal of SAPS.
Not because they are corrupt or following ANC agenda. That criticism by those of you ignorant of the law is wrong and contemptuous of the courts. Those same courts have kicked the government in the nuts numerous times in the past but only when the case is good and based on a proper application and interpretation of the law.
It was not the courtÂ’s fault that 400000 gun owners failed to comply with the relicensing provisions in the FCA. If we donÂ’t agree with the FCA then the fight should be in Parliament because the Parliament makes laws, not the courts. We can only argue different interpretations of the wording of the FCA before the courts if CFR is not applying it correctly.
The courts and we are subject to a Constitution that does not include a right to bear arms or own firearms. Whilst I agree that we have the right to self defense, the Constitution doesnÂ’t say we have a right to do so with firearms.
Now before I have the zealots on this group screaming for my crucifixion for such heresy, please remember, I too support the ownership of firearms and I own many as a dedicated sport shooter and I love my firearms. But IÂ’m speaking objectively and as a lawyer. Not as a subjective gun fanatic.
Unfortunately since the promulgation of the Constitution and dare I say, even before, gun ownership was always regulated in this country by legislation affording us the privilege to own guns. Before the Constitution we lived in a Parliamentary dispensation, now we live in a Constitutional dispensation. Under both, gun ownership was a privilege, never a right.
That privilege is afforded to us by legislation, now being the FCA. We are therefore extremely lucky to have the FCA so that we can own guns, as long as you comply with its requirements, including its relicensing requirements. If we can show that it indeed controls firearm ownership then the better chance Parliament will not scrap it completely. That should be our focus. Not by attacking it.
If we feel it should be amended to make it license the person and not each firearm (which I agree with in principle), then we cannot do so through the Courts but rather through lobbying and getting support in Parliament because they make the law, not the courts.
The question should rather be why GOSA persisted with a bad in law application even after being warned it was bad? DonÂ’t get me wrong. GOSAÂ’s heart is in the right place and Paul Oxley is passionate about fighting for gun ownership and one of the main activists in this regard and I commend him for this. But he is not a lawyer and IÂ’m afraid he is not getting or not listening to good legal advice.
Many on this forum love sticking it to Marin Hood. But he has been proved correct, as have I, despite people criticizing me too on this forum. We should not all sit in an echo chamber but think a little objectively too.
And blaming the SCA or Constitutional Court as “corrupt” without a proper basis is just not on.
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25-07-2020, 19:53 #19
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
PS the more bad applications we launch against SAPS, the more “bad” judgments we get - bad judgments for gun owners I mean - because those judgments create precedent.
Ironically when those same courts make findings against government (which happens almost every day - but you guys don’t always see or hear about them), or against the ANC or EFF, then the government, or ANC or EFF also always cry that the courts are “corrupt”. Funny that eh.
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25-07-2020, 19:57 #20
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Re: Interdict against SAPS going after those with expired licences knocked down
Proper ‘I told you so’ moment.
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