Regrets and questions.A young hunter,

[treeman]

Our footprint is already heavy. Much like the house cats that take an enormous toll on anything that moves. We have toys to amuse ourselves without causing unnecessary suffering in another. Things that we often reflect on with regret as we get older.

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wow! yea,perhaps it is so?

[Luker]

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I hope we will chat again at some fire Luker

Likewise.

[Brenneke]

Wrong:

Nope
ONLY if you believe all that stuff ! ( a huge debate on it's own )

"During the course of the conversation, I told him that Darwin's theories were nothing more or less than the hard facts of history and natural science. The world as we know it had come about through chance and natural selection. The idea of an intelligent creator was the ultimate in unscientific thought; and anyway, the theologians of today no longer believed in creation. There was no proof of the existence of God: Feuerbach and others had long since proven that. So the General's religion was uneducated fantasy and imagination.

https://www.ukapologetics.net/11/wilder-smith.htm

Look up -- Feuerbach

Humans ( intelligence ) are able to adapt their surroundings to suit themselves ( the "Virus")
Animals ( Darwin ) must adapt THEMSELVES to their surroundings.

In any case I firmly believe in -- Intelligent design. ( NOT "creationism" )
Apparently Einstein mentioned that -- G D does not play dice with the Universe !

IF you want to restrict yourself to -- "survival of the fittest" start looking at -- Social Darwinism ( a form of SOCIALISM )

[pigeonpie]

IF you want to restrict yourself to -- "survival of the fittest" start looking at -- Social Darwinism ( a form of SOCIALISM )

Social Darwinism - “the theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.“

Socialism - “political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

Ar risk of feeding the troll, they seem like polar opposites to me.

[Spliffcat]

The troll can't keep it's fingers to itself even when asked politely.

[Brenneke]

The troll can't keep it's fingers to itself even when asked politely.

WHY do YOU not find something useful for YOUR fingers to do ? ( I am not asking politely )

The scientific importance of Marxism as well as of Darwinism consists in their following out the theory of evolution, the one upon the domain of the organic world, of things animate; the other, upon the domain of society. This theory of evolution, however, was in no way new, it had its advocates before Darwin and Marx; the philosopher, Hegel, even made it the central point of his philosophy. It is, therefore, necessary to observe closely what were the achievements of Darwin and Marx in this domain.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1912/marxism-darwinism.htm


Although Darwin’s political views were far from radical, his insights became the central weapons in the battle to establish materialist science as the basis for the socialist understanding of the world, and contributed to the development of Marxism.

https://isreview.org/issue/65/marx-and-engelsand-darwin


https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...bach/index.htm


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/theses.htm

[Brenneke]

Social Darwinism - “the theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.“

Socialism - “political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

Ar risk of feeding the troll, they seem like polar opposites to me.

Why not employ YOUR fingers in looking up the meaning of PLAGIARISM
and
Trying to understand what it means !

[Spliffcat]

Triggered much.

[Againstthegrains]

Treeman, the fact is you do you and let the child grow up and have his own opinion one day.
I’ve seen the pattern many times before, some people go from a shoot on sight indiscriminate killer to almost a Buddhist at old age. Some older men just give up hunting entirely and start to feed pigeons, which others then have to shoot because they become a problem. Some people are vegans until they get a taste for hunting.

Generally it seems with age comes an appreciation for life as you realize yours are winding down, killing becomes an issue for some. It does not change a single thing though criminals will still come into your home and torture you to death, meaning killing will always be there whether people condone it or not.
I remember walking after my father and picking up the birds as they fell, and damn he never missed, now he is the one feeding birds and I am like “really!”.

My children also bring injured animals along and I just want to wring the necks of whatever they bring.
I tell my daughter really, you want to save this bird but your cat catches 2 a day, it’s like me shooting two intruders but letting the 3^rd one sleep over in the spare bedroom.

Nicely written, it describes one of the many human paradoxes so well. We kill to eat, but we need to be kind and conserve to survive in the long run

[Messor]

Eish, dunno how we ended up with Darwin vs Socialism.

But anyways, on topic, I am yet to see a boy growing up on a farm that was granted access to an air rifle or .22 that did not shoot things indiscriminately. Humans are designed that way, young brains that learns hunting by trial and error are by far the best hunters when grown up, there is a certain hunting instinct that is learned young which cannot be bought, and certainly cannot be acquired when older.

The human body itself is also designed in a very specific way, when boys hit puberty their hormones goes through the roof, that is why soldiers are also selected very young, you get resilient but stupid, perfect for indoctrination. Testosterone is something that goes away with age, with it goes strength (muscle mass) and aggression. That is why fierce warriors become philosophers at old age, they reflect on all they have done but they are NOT that person anymore. That is why older men frown upon needless killing yet many of them did that exact same thing when they were young.

There is not an older person on this forum that does not reflect upon some of the stupid things he did when he was young, whether they want to admit it or not. Fact remains it’s a design feature of humans, that is why people in general not raised in a hunting environment have little understanding of hunting, they cannot grasp the concept of killing something for sport, though many of them can watch MMA and still cannot make the connection, humans are designed for combat and hunting.

Now that I am in my 40’s I also don’t need to just shoot anymore, the campfire alone is enough, but make no mistake if a monkey just looks at me funny I will still shoot him in half with no emotion. That might change when I hit 60 again, who knows. The thing is my son must still walk this path, a path I understand and have seen in many others as well. There will come a day when I think why did he need to kill that, but it will be a foolish thought since it’s the exact same thing I just mentioned.

Only killing stuff to eat is a noble but none natural concept.