MOVIE: MOFFIE

**KK20** · 15-12-2019, 22:10

Originally Posted by gertjie87

I am looking forward to watching this movie. The apartheid regime was indeed incredibly toxic only reason it is remembered fondly by some is because it did not survive long enough to turn this country into the complete shit show is was heading for anyway. This country would have ended up the way it is today regardless of who was the goverment. You cannot build a nationalistic socialist state and expect sustainability.

Good post

**treeman** · 15-12-2019, 22:59

live out your imagination , not your history.
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Rather apt for this post - this country - many young men of this country.

**BrushStroke** · 16-12-2019, 08:02

Originally Posted by Messor

Human nature is a funny thing.

Now, all those years later we sit in a democratic society with a murder rate higher than that of a war zone. Imagine if we had the means to debate over time, and we debate with those in power back then, what would they say? We would tell them they were old bastards and they would tell us we fucked the country up just as they predicted we would. We will not be able to defend our conviction since our reality is a sad one, we have fucking moderators on this forum leaving this country because it’s so fucked up.

This is why I am a recluse, humans, eish.

Freedom is a curious thing, yes the current regime is certainly fucking up the country at a rate that rivals light speed but we certainly had more freedoms post 94 than pre 94. Was the country better run pre94? I think it was but that is irrelevant, the Nats just stole less (they at least paid some of the bills first) and were better at concealing the looting. It’s not a comparable analogy but the trains ran on time in Nazi Germany too.

One of our problems is many still believe the state needs to look after us. We don’t have the “ask not what your country can do for you” mindset, we give the state power over us, we ask for a master.

As for Moffie, I don’t think blaming “toxic masculinity” for someone’s misery at a time where being gay was not socially acceptable is not giving a fair show. As I said it was socially unacceptable and not just in the military, hell if you want to go out today to rural SA, as a black man, and announce your homosexuality be prepared to be be turned into muti.

**Davidc** · 16-12-2019, 08:22

I wonder what changed between 1981 when this movie was set and 1986 when I started my national service? We certainly had “moffies” in the SADF then and it wasn’t a problem, well until that one day during inspection when the ones trommel was opened and a poster of a naked guy on a horse was found and the whole Bravo 3 company got a opfok.

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**Messor** · 16-12-2019, 09:28

The director will not have any direct personal insight into the topic himself.
His opinion about the subject will then come from second hand knowledge, and that knowledge will come with the attached bias of the source.
The director thus have the option of trying to make it as realistic as his sources states the truth to have been, coming from right or wrong information, or the director can try and push a specific narrative.

This being 2019, and knowing what kind of thing attracts international movie critic attention, I believe it will be the specific narrative version.

**Davidc** · 16-12-2019, 09:37

Originally Posted by Messor

The director will not have any direct personal insight into the topic himself.
His opinion about the subject will then come from second hand knowledge, and that knowledge will come with the attached bias of the source.
The director thus have the option of trying to make it as realistic as his sources states the truth to have been, coming from right or wrong information, or the director can try and push a specific narrative.

This being 2019, and knowing what kind of thing attracts international movie critic attention, I believe it will be the specific narrative version.

Exactly.

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**treeman** · 16-12-2019, 09:43

Originally Posted by Messor

The director will not have any direct personal insight into the topic himself.
His opinion about the subject will then come from second hand knowledge, and that knowledge will come with the attached bias of the source.
The director thus have the option of trying to make it as realistic as his sources states the truth to have been, coming from right or wrong information, or the director can try and push a specific narrative.

This being 2019, and knowing what kind of thing attracts international movie critic attention, I believe it will be the specific narrative version.

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You are correct

**treeman** · 16-12-2019, 20:00

The world has always had peoples who thought they knew what is right for others, those who knew better and the more right.
I have a respect despise relationship with the person known as judge - magistrate, another person, be he learned or not who feels (I say so because he carries out his job) he is qualified to carry out his job which is judging other peoples lives and doings.
Voetsek !!!!!!!!! how dare you ?.
You may say,"but he is a learned man" - learned in right wrong, whose right?, and who’s wrong ? - what era's right wrong ? cannibals ate their dead family members, it became the against the law in the eyes of those that came to the islands later and transgressors were not allowed to give their dead family a proper send off by eating them. Those that respected their dead relatives more than the law went to jail.There was a man who felt he was qualified to pass sentence/punishment for "NOT AGREEING".
If you did not obey their law a short while ago and did not offer up your 18 year old son to fight for a cause you did not believe in, you were ostracized - if you actually aided your boy in escaping military service you went to jail. Some one made the decision/law that not agreeing to military service was a jail able offence, Again there was a man who felt he was qualified to pass sentence/punishment for "NOT AGREEING".
I have known two judges in my life well enough to see the man with in, one is the man who, shall I say worked out, determined the sentence for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Schoor. The police man security guard take no s**** criminal stopper.
Both these men in their 70ties will not talk about their work.

Reg OP :Bible - condemns homosexuality ? where ? its barely mentioned in the bible and where so it is used as proof by very selective use of phrases ignoring pre and post script. Closest is where it is referred to as a abomination, BUT ! pre and post script reveals this to be the case of a married man having sex with a male. Two of the laws of Leviticus (18:22 and 20:13) seem more pertinent. They call a man lying with another man instead of his wife an "abomination".

Every where through history there have been people deciding right and wrong for others. Some matters seem clear some not so clear, age of consent , animal blood sport and sexual behavior - bestiality ?
Collecting rain water and harvesting the suns energy are the next controversial laws, people are already being tried/convicted for solar panels and collecting water.
Since the start of time societies have had those that make/enforce laws of the times, if you failed to abide by what was decided for you, you were criminal.
Khris Khristofferson wrote and sang this song, and perhaps, its why I am like I am ? grew up with this as a household song

The rules laws governing us does not just apply to society out there, its broken down to every part of our lives, take Gun Site there are rules and regulations, some seem obvious some less and some even stupid. Then there are the mods, and just like the old apartheid ( and today's) police, some are silent some vocal with really thousands of posts. Some mods work in back ground send you a PM saying, stop this - you nearing taboo - this may be taken wrongly rather back off, others ban you ( imprison you). Some will remove a bad post, silently doing their job others will do so and seek some attention for doing so, same as it was back in the day of the old apartheid police( and present), interracial love, homosexual love, collecting water, smoking weed there is always going to be a one up on you deciding if its alright to do so, nothings changed - the cloths they wear, the rules they apply differ, but not the basic bottom line.
You know the shit part ?, things would be a lot worse with out "them", yes that word again,them being those that decide for us in this case.
I still truly believe that in most cases these people try to do what's better for "us"in society and as at schools, clubs and Gun Site as a species, and as a group.

listen the song by Kris, its sais it as it is
https://youtu.be/Jxdnb2kUPJM

**BrushStroke** · 17-12-2019, 09:09

Back to the movie, an army that wants to win needs to train hard, be hard and crush any softness.

**Glockster** · 17-12-2019, 14:49

Anyone notice how hard the gay agenda has been propagated over the last 10 years?
Ever wonder why...
Does it not seem strange that such a small segment of society gets a disproportionate amount of positive media attention?